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Roseis100:
simple
RKC: Apparently not. MdrnMuslim and I have pointed out to you that the Qur’an is
against forced conversions. What we have shown you is that Islam is against it.
You don’t have an issue with Islam. You have a problem with Muslims who don’t
follow the Qur’an or the Sunnah of The
Prophet.
Roseis100:
I have a
relative who escaped the filth--------her escape led to the death of one of
those who rescued her. You should review islamic law-----.
RKC: Terrible, but that
does not factually prove anything about what is correct in Islam. All you have
demonstrated is a Muslim was acting in contrast to what he should be doing. What
I asked for and what you can’t seem to provide is a foundational (Qur’an or Hadith) basis for the Islamic Law you seem to be
referencing. Can you not provide the section of Sharia
and then connect it to the Qur’an?
Roseis100:
Would you say
that a conversion to islam
with a knife at ones throat is NOT forced? Would you say that horrific
oppressive laws imposed on a population relieved ONLY by conversion is NOT
force???
RKC: I would, but I don't
hold the religion accountable. Just that person who is in
error. No more than I hold Christianity accountable for the forced
conversions of African slaves or the horrific oppressive laws they have imposed
on a population of people.
Roseis100: Today in
RKC: Same as above. I'm
not going to pretend to know every angle of the issues in
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/21/world/main2030645.shtml
Roseis100:
Even
today, there are actual civil laws on the books in some countries
which make it illegal for a non muslim to hold public
office you want to call conversions under
those circumstances NOT force??
RKC: Same as above. You
can't comprehend the difference between what people do and what they should be
doing. For example, when a rogue, racist cop goes off and beats or kills an
African American, nobody would point the finger at the laws he was supposed to
be upholding. He is supposed to represent those laws…protecting and serving the
community. He looks like a cop, claims to be a cop, claims his actions are that
of a cop, but is really not.
Roseis100:
Currently in US jails------convicts have told me that they converted in
jail only as a way to gain protection. I consider
that forced too
RKC: Protection from who? White supremacists?
Roseis100: but, of course it does not
matter-------it is an issue only while they are still in since in the
RKC: You claim this “goes
way back to the inception of islam”, which assumes
The Prophet sanctioned it. I'd ask for you to provide evidence from the Qur'an
or Hadith, but I know you wouldn't provide it. The
below quote is from one of IslamOnline.net's Live
Dialogues with Dr. Jamal Badawi, Famous Da'iyah and Member of the European Council for Fatwa and
Research Subject Apostasy in Islam. He refutes your claim.
Name Hossam -
What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam and when
should the apostate be killed?
Answer
There is no single verse
in the Qur'an that prescribes a worldly punishment for apostasy. The Qur'an states the punishment
only in the Hereafter. However, numerous verses in the Qur'an affirm
freedom of religion and reject compulsion or coercion in religion; for example,
see Chapter 2, verse 256.
In hadith, however, there are some texts signifying capital
punishment for apostasy. However, scholars differed about the interpretation of
these texts. Some made a distinction between apostasy which coupled with
fighting against Muslims, committing a capital crime or committing an act of
"high treason" against the state. According to this interpretation,
capital punishment is because of these crimes, not mere leaving Islam. Other
scholars made no such distinction. However, the first interpretation is supported by a number of
other sound hadiths which show that when a man in Madinah apostated from Islam, the
Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) neither ordered his execution nor
punished him in any other way, and when the man finally left Madinah, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
never sent anyone to arrest him or punish him because of his apostasy.
If indeed the capital punishment for apostasy is a hadd
(specified mandatory punishment) one would expect that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
would be the first one to implement the law of Allah.
These hadiths are reported in Al-Bukhari,
the most authentic collection of hadith, in the book
of Al-Ahkaam which is found in the English
translation by M. Mohsen Khan, Volume 9, hadith number 316, 318, and 323,
pages 241, 242, and 246. They are also reported in Fath
Al-Bari, volume 13 under Kitab Al-Ahkam,
hadith number 7209, 7211, and 7216.