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Roseis100: simple    

 

RKC: Apparently not. MdrnMuslim and I have pointed out to you that the Qur’an is against forced conversions. What we have shown you is that Islam is against it. You don’t have an issue with Islam. You have a problem with Muslims who don’t follow the Qur’an or the Sunnah of The Prophet.

 

 

 

Roseis100: I have a relative who escaped the filth--------her escape led to the death of one of those who rescued her.      You should review islamic law-----.

 

RKC: Terrible, but that does not factually prove anything about what is correct in Islam. All you have demonstrated is a Muslim was acting in contrast to what he should be doing. What I asked for and what you can’t seem to provide is a foundational (Qur’an or Hadith) basis for the Islamic Law you seem to be referencing. Can you not provide the section of Sharia and then connect it to the Qur’an?

 

 

 

Roseis100: Would you say that a conversion to islam     with a knife at ones throat is NOT forced? Would you say that horrific oppressive laws imposed on a population relieved ONLY by conversion is NOT force???   

 

RKC: I would, but I don't hold the religion accountable. Just that person who is in error. No more than I hold Christianity accountable for the forced conversions of African slaves or the horrific oppressive laws they have imposed on a population of people.

 

 

 

Roseis100: Today in Indonesia,  muslims are murdering both hindus and christians     They could easily get out of the problem and retain their property by SIMPLY CONVERTING TO ISLAM.   When they flee, they lose everything they own.        Would you like to call that  NOT force?

 

RKC: Same as above. I'm not going to pretend to know every angle of the issues in Indonesia, but I do know Christian Terrorists are murdering there too.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/21/world/main2030645.shtml

 

 

 

Roseis100: Even today,   there are actual civil laws on the books in some countries which make it illegal for a non muslim to hold public office       you want to call conversions under those circumstances  NOT force??

 

RKC: Same as above. You can't comprehend the difference between what people do and what they should be doing. For example, when a rogue, racist cop goes off and beats or kills an African American, nobody would point the finger at the laws he was supposed to be upholding. He is supposed to represent those laws…protecting and serving the community. He looks like a cop, claims to be a cop, claims his actions are that of a cop, but is really not.

 

 

 

Roseis100: Currently  in US jails------convicts have told me that they converted in jail only as a way to gain protection.     I consider that forced too

RKC: Protection from who? White supremacists?

 

 

 

Roseis100: but, of course it does not matter-------it is an issue only while they are still in since in the US we do not have a law stating that leaving islam is a capitol crime.      But    executing a person for leaving islam is "not force"    either.    BTW   the laws which call for execution of a person who leaves islam   DEFINE a muslim as a person whose father is a muslim  which clearly forces any person fathered by a muslim into muslim--------but-----of course,   you do not consider that force.  I have really bad news for you.    Execution of those leaving islam      goes way back to the inception of islam       and have existed in every society governed by islamic law.

 

RKC: You claim this “goes way back to the inception of islam”, which assumes The Prophet sanctioned it. I'd ask for you to provide evidence from the Qur'an or Hadith, but I know you wouldn't provide it. The below quote is from one of IslamOnline.net's Live Dialogues with Dr. Jamal Badawi, Famous Da'iyah and Member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research Subject Apostasy in Islam. He refutes your claim.

 

 

Name Hossam - Afghanistan
What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam and when should the apostate be killed?

Answer
There is no single verse in the Qur'an that prescribes a worldly punishment for apostasy. The Qur'an states the punishment only in the Hereafter. However, numerous verses in the Qur'an affirm freedom of religion and reject compulsion or coercion in religion; for example, see Chapter 2, verse 256.

In hadith, however, there are some texts signifying capital punishment for apostasy. However, scholars differed about the interpretation of these texts. Some made a distinction between apostasy which coupled with fighting against Muslims, committing a capital crime or committing an act of "high treason" against the state. According to this interpretation, capital punishment is because of these crimes, not mere leaving Islam. Other scholars made no such distinction. However, the first interpretation is supported by a number of other sound hadiths which show that when a man in Madinah apostated from Islam, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) neither ordered his execution nor punished him in any other way, and when the man finally left Madinah, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never sent anyone to arrest him or punish him because of his apostasy.

If indeed the capital punishment for apostasy is a hadd (specified mandatory punishment) one would expect that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would be the first one to implement the law of Allah.

These hadiths are reported in Al-Bukhari, the most authentic collection of hadith, in the book of Al-Ahkaam which is found in the English translation by M. Mohsen Khan, Volume 9, hadith number 316, 318, and 323, pages 241, 242, and 246. They are also reported in Fath Al-Bari, volume 13 under Kitab Al-Ahkam, hadith number 7209, 7211, and 7216.