Mark: You are a hypocrite…

 

RKC: Then cite my contrasting views.

 

 

 

Mark: …and are cheating.

 

RKC: Huh??? What are the rules? Don’t make a more convincing case than you?

 

 

 

Mark: You don't believe in the inspiration of the Bible…

 

RKC: No. I don’t believe in the “Bible” because it is not all from God and has been corrupted by man. I believe in the portions which are from God only.

 

S 004.136
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

 

S 087.018
 And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-

S 087.019
The Books of Abraham and Moses.

 

S 005.046
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

 

 

 

Mark:  so you can't use it as proof of anything.

 

RKC: I have and will continue….

 

 

 

Mark: Why is this so very hard for Muslims to understand.

 

RKC: Muslims understand…we don’t accept your view. We consider it blasphemy to worship anything besides God, The Father……and Jesus says the same thing as us (Mt. 4:10, Lk. 4:8, Jn. 4:21-24)

 

 

 

Mark: If something is broken and corrupt then it is of no value as proof.

 

RKC: Do I need to remind you of Jeremiah 8:8? How about this…why don’t you tell us every line a “scribe has made…into a lie”.

 

Jeremiah 8

⁸ "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

 

 

 

Mark: Take a logic course or two as I have and you will see the error of your ways.

 

RKC: There’s no need for it. God has blessed me with enough logic to see Jesus never considered himself God. Since you have taken this “logic course”, I assume you will intellectually refute my posts and not say “your cheating”.

 

 

 

Mark: You only believe those portions of the Bible that you can use to prove your point.

 

RKC: I believe in the God’s revelations in their pure form as I stated in Message #610. I believe in the portions of the Bible which are confirmed in the Qur’an, do not contradict the Qur’an, and do not contradict other sections of the Bible.

 

Surah 002.079
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

 

Deuteronomy 4:2

² You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

 

RKC: Contradiction is my big thing because God is perfect and can write a book free of error.

 

Surah 015.009
We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

 

Surah 004.082
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

 

Surah 041.042
No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.

 

 

 

Mark: All the other numerous verses, and they are many, you ignore and call them flawed because they clearly and distincly refute you. This makes you a hypocrite!

 

RKC: Okay…since your accusing me, list 5 of these numerous verses and I promise to not ignore them.

 

 

 

Mark: Either the Bible can be trusted and used as proof or it can't. You can't have it both ways! I see logic has no home in Islam.

 

RKC: Okay…I’ll list what I believe to be 5 contradictions. If you can’t explain them, then you must admit the Bible cannot be trusted. Since you have this logic which “has no home” in Islam, please respond to the below points. If you can’t respond or ignore and don’t admit the Bible can’t be trusted, then you have identified yourself as the hypocrite.

 

 

1. Abraham is 86 when Ishmael is born (Gen. 16:16) and 100 when Isaac was born (Gen. 21:5). So Ishmael is 14 years older. Isaac is weaned in Gen. 21:8. You can estimate another two years has elapsed. After Abraham decides to send Hagar and Ishmael into the wilderness, the below occurs…

 

Genesis 16

¹⁴ So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.

¹⁵ When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the child under one of the bushes.

¹⁶ Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, "Let me not look upon the death of the child." And as she sat over against him, the child lifted up his voice and wept.

 

So we see that the “child” was (1) put on Hagar’s shoulder, (2) was placed underneath a bush for protection, and (3) and was crying. This is inconsistent with a 16 year old, but is consistent with a baby as Islam supports. Explain how this story has not been tampered with.

 

 

 

2. In Exodus 6:3, God tells Moses that he appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but they didn’t know him by the Name of “YHWH”. Then if we go back to Genesis, we find…

 

Genesis 24:7 (Abraham)

YHWH, God of Heaven, Who took me from the house of my father and from the land of my birth…

 

Genesis 26:22 (Isaac)

…”For now YHWH has granted us ample space, and we can be fruitful in the land.”

 

Genesis 28:16 (Jacob)

…”Surely, YHWH is present in this place and I did not know!”

 

Explain how all three are calling God by his name, when God told Moses he didn’t. How is this story not tampered with?

 

 

 

3. In the Kings James Version, we find…

 

1 John 5:7

⁷ For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

This is a clear verse which supports the Trinity more than any other. In the Revised Version, we find…

 

1 John 5:7-8

⁷ And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

⁸ There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree

 

Why was the KJV version removed?

 

 

 

4. What verses, in the “law of the LORD”, did the false pen of the scribes make into a lie? How were the corrected?

 

Jeremiah 8:8-9

⁸ "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. ⁹ The wise men shall be put to shame, they shall be dismayed and taken; lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD, and what wisdom is in them?

 

 

 

5. In Matthew 10, we find Jesus giving the following command…

 

Matthew 10:5-6

⁵ These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, ⁶ but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

Then supposedly Jesus issues the Great Commission…

 

Matthew 28:18-19

¹⁸ And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. ¹⁹ Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

 

My question is why does Peter act so ignorantly of this command from Jesus until Acts 10:28? Why are the Jews so amazed in Acts 10:44-45? Why are Paul and Barnabas sent to the Gentiles (Gal. 2:7-9), if Jesus had commissioned the 12 disciples? Explain why they act like they never heard the Great Commission.