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RKCanaday:
You may want to check out John 1:19-23. Based on these verses, there were three
prophecies. Elijah(p), The Messiah, and The Prophet. These priests were not
expecting two men to come, but three. In the Gospels, we are told Elijah(p) has
already come. If you believe Jesus(p) is the Messiah, then that prophecy is
fullfilled. I don't see how Christians can claim "The Prophet" is the
Messiah after reading this series of questions to John(p). So, for me,
when the Gospels were written "The Prophet" prophecy was unfullfilled
and it makes perfect logic for Jesus(p) to prophecize of the coming of this
"Prophet" (Comforter).
AliSayMuh7: John the Baptist was a Jewish
prophet from the tribe of Levi. His father Zachariah was a priest of the
division of Abijah and his mother was of the daughters of Aaron (Luke
1:5). The common argument used by most Muslims is that Moses promised the
children of Israel that an Arab prophet would be raised among them. If this is
true, why did the Pharisees send priests and Levites to ask a Jew if he was the
Arab prophet Moses promised them? Does that make any sense? When Moses promised the children of Israel that a
prophet would be raised up for them "from among their brethren", they
understood the word "brethren" to mean a fellow Israelite, a
descendant of Jacob. Why else would the Pharisees send priests and Levites
to ask John the Baptist if he was the prophet Moses promised them? If
John the Baptist was an Arab, the Pharisees wouldn't have sent anyone to
question him about anything. But since he was a Jew, they asked him if he
was the promised prophet that Moses spoke of being raised up for them
"from among their brethren". The Jews knew that John that Baptist was
"from among their brethren", so they asked him if he was the Christ
(Messiah), and John denied it. The Jews weren't expecting an Arab
Messiah. If John was an Arab, they would not have asked him if he was the
Messiah, because the expected Messiah was to arise "from among their
brethren" (i.e. a fellow Israelite). After denying that he was the
Christ (Messiah), the Jews then asked John if he was Elijah, an ancient Jewish
prophet. Again John responded in the negative. If John was an Arab,
they would not have asked him if he was Elijah because Elijah was a descendant
of Jacob, not Ishmael. Finally, the Jews asked John if he was "the
Prophet". John was a Jew. He adhered to the Law of Moses and he had
disciples who addressed him as "Rabbi" (John 3:26). As I have
already pointed out, if John was an Arab, the Pharisees would not have sent
anyone to question him about being the Messiah or Elijah. So I ask again,
if the Jews believed that Moses promised them an Arab prophet from the line of
Ishmael, why would they ask John the Baptist, a Jew, if he was the Arab prophet
that Moses promised them in Deuteronomy 18:15?
RKC: I don’t believe
Moses promised an Arab. I think he promised that “The Prophet” would be their
“brother”, which is subject to interpretation. After reading the uses from
Strong’s for the word “ach”, I just don’t think its that big of a stretch.
1.
To refer to a male sibling (Genesis 4:2; Genesis 37:14)
2. To
refer to a blood relative (Genesis 14:16)
3. To
refer to a relative (Genesis 9:25; Genesis 29:15)
4. To
refer to tribes (Judges 1:3)
5. To
refer to fellow tribesman (Genesis 31:32)
6. To
refer to fellow countrymen (Exodus 2:11)
7. To
refer to a companion/colleague (2 Kings 9:2)
8. To
refer to an ally (Genesis 19:6-7; Numbers 20:14; 1 Kings 9:13)
9. A term
of polite address to a stranger (Genesis 29:4)
10.
Sometimes represents someone or something that simply exists
alongside
a given person or thing (Genesis 9:5-6)
The New Strong’s Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (Red Letter
Edition)
Hebrew and Aramaic Dictionary, Page 10
RKC: I’m just curious. After reading the
below, do you believe there are any remaining scriptures in the Bible which
refer to Muhammad(p)? What made Waraqa believe in Muhammad(p) so easily?
157. "Those who follow the apostle, the
unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;-
for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them
as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and
impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are
upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow
the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was
beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to
read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you
see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom
Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine
Message, I will support you strongly."
RKCanaday: I don't believe
Moses promised an Arab. I think he promised that "The Prophet" would
be their "brother", which is subject to interpretation. After reading
the uses from Strong's for the word "ach", I just don't think its
that big of a stretch.
1. To refer to a male sibling (Genesis 4:2; Genesis 37:14)
2. To refer to a blood relative (Genesis 14:16)
3. To refer to a relative (Genesis 9:25; Genesis 29:15)
4. To refer to tribes (Judges 1:3)
5. To refer to fellow tribesman (Genesis 31:32)
6. To refer to fellow countrymen (Exodus 2:11)
7. To refer to a companion/colleague (2 Kings 9:2)
8. To refer to an ally (Genesis 19:6-7; Numbers 20:14; 1 Kings 9:13)
9. A term of polite address to a stranger (Genesis 29:4)
10. Sometimes represents someone or something that simply exists
alongside a given person or thing (Genesis 9:5-6)
The New Strong's Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (Red Letter
Edition)Hebrew and Aramaic Dictionary, Page 10
In Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18,
Moses is speaking to all of the tribes of Israel. In the examples that
you have provided above, only #'s 4 & 6 are applicable to the context of
the word "brethren" in Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18.
"from your
midst, from your
brethren" - This
passage makes it very clear that the prophet was to arise from the midst of the Israelites, from their
brethren. Many Muslims will argue that the phrase "from among their
brethren" is speaking of the Ishmaelites, since Ishmael and Isaac were
half-brothers and their descendants, the Jews and Arabs are cousins, but let's
take a deeper look.
Muhammad was born and raised in Makkah in the midst of his Arab brethren from
the tribe of Quraysh. In 624 the Muslim army attacked the Jewish tribe of
Banu Qaynuqa. In 625 the Jewish tribe of Banu Nadir was expelled from
Madinah. In 627 the Banu Qurayzah tribe was destroyed. None of
these tribes lasted in Madinah more than five years after the Prophet had
arrived in that city. So out of the 63 years of his life, Muhammad only
lived 5 years among the Jews. The other 58 years of his life was spent
among his brethren, the Arabs.
When the bible uses the word "brethren" to describe a group of people
who are closely related to the Israelites, it has only applied that word to the
Edomites (#8 in your list, second reference) since Edom was the twin brother of
Israel.
RKCanaday: I'm just curious. After reading the below (S. 7:157), do you believe there are any remaining scriptures in
the Bible which refer to Muhammad(p)?
I don't know. If
there are, I don't have the ability to interpret them correctly and point them
out to you. Had the Qur'an stated where those verses could be found, I
would have no choice but to accept them, but I am not of those who believe that
Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18 or John 16:7 are what Surah 7:157 is speaking about.
Please read the following:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3,
Book 34, Number 335:
Narrated Ata bin Yasar:
I met Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As and asked him, "Tell me about the
description of Allah's Apostle which is mentioned in Torah (i.e. Old
Testament.") He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is described in Torah with
some of the qualities attributed to him in the Quran as follows:
"O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And
a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the
unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates. You are My slave and My messenger
(i.e. Apostle). I have named you "Al-Mutawakkil" (who depends upon
Allah). You are neither discourteous, harsh Nor a noise-maker in the markets
And you do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with
forgiveness and kindness. Allah will not let him (the Prophet) Die till he
makes straight the crooked people by making them say: "None has the right
to be worshipped but Allah," With which will be opened blind eyes And deaf
ears and enveloped hearts."
Can you show me where any
of this can be found in the Torah?
RKCanaday: Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took
him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the
Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When
he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the
Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will
support you strongly."
What made Waraqa believe in Muhammad(p) so easily?
I don't
know. The hadith doesn't tell us. If we had a copy of the
scriptures he was reading, perhaps we would know why he believed in Muhammad.
Tahirkheli16270: While searching for some facts I
came across these verses in Bible. I would refer to New International Version
and King James Version.
NIV: Deuteronomy (18-15): The Lord your God will
raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers, you
must listen to him.
KJV: Deuteronomy (18-15): The Lord they God will
raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of they brethern, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken.
The question is: who is Moses refering to here,
which prophet is he promising to his people?
Now read few more verses:
NIV: Acts (3-22): For Moses said, The Lord your God
will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you
must listen to everything he tells you.
KJV: Acta (3-22): For Moses
truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto
you of your brethern, like unto me; him shall
ye hearin all things whatsoever he shall say unto
you.
If a Christian reads these verses he won't hesitate to say that Moses is promising/prophisising about Jesus
Christ. (If anyone feels I am wrong, I would like to be corrected because I do
not claim that it has been overwhelmingly proved or anything, its my own research). After reading the same verses a Muslim
could arguably claim that Moses is refering to
Mohammad. I would like all to share there thoughts on this issue.
RKC: You may want to check out John 1:19-23. Based on these verses, there were three prophecies. Elijah(p), The Messiah, and The Prophet. These priests were not expecting two men to come, but three. In the Gospels, we are told Elijah(p) has already come. If you believe Jesus(p) is the Messiah, then that prophecy is fullfilled. I don’t see how Christians can claim “The Prophet” is the Messiah after reading this series of questions to John(p). So, for me, when the Gospels were written “The Prophet” prophecy was unfullfilled and it makes perfect logic for Jesus(p) to prophecize of the coming of this “Prophet” (Comforter).
19 And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and
Levites from
20 He confessed, he did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the
Christ."
21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He
said, "I am not." "Are
you the prophet?" And he answered, "No."
22 They said to him then, "Who are you? Let us have an answer
for those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?" 23 He
said, "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, 'Make straight the
way of the Lord,' as the prophet Isaiah said."