NuttyEggNog: Muslim are not allowed to read the gospels Or the Torah.

RKC: Says who? Muhammad(p)? The Qur’an?

NuttyEggNog: Only the Koran is called true.

RKC: True.

Surah 4

82. Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

NuttyEggNog: This is what they know of Jesus. He was a prophet sent by God who hid in a cave while someone died in his place.

RKC: The Qur’an doesn’t say anything about Jesus(p) hiding in a cave. What matters is that God saved him from being murdered.

Surah 4

157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

NuttyEggNog: Reduced to nothing but a coward.

RKC: Those are your words, not Muslims.

NuttyEggNog: Oh yea Muhammad claims he met Jesus face to face.

RKC: And several other Prophets.

NuttyEggNog: He is a short fat balding man with freckles…. A short fat balding coward with freckles.

RKC: Where did you read that?!? This is what I know of. Does it really matter what he looked like?

Ka’b al-Akbar said, ‘Jesus, son of Mary, was a ruddy man, inclined to be white; he did not have long hair, and he never anointed his head. Jesus used to walk barefoot, and he took no house, or adornment, or goods, or clothes, or provision, except his day’s food. Wherever the sun set, he arranged his feet in prayer till the morning came. He was curing the blind from birth, and the leper, and raising the dead by God’s permission, and was telling his people what they were eating in their houses and what they were storing up for the morrow, and he was walking on the surface of the water in the sea. His head was dishevelled and his face was small; he was an ascetic in the world, longing for the next world and eager for the worship of God. He was a pilgrim in the earth till the Jews sought him and desired to kill him. Then God raised him up to heaven; and God knows best.’

Jesus Prophet of Islam

Revised Edition

Muhammad ‘Ata’ ur-Rahim & Ahmad Thomson

Page 265

NuttyEggNog: …..So what is Jesus to Muslims?………You could say they don't know Jesus at all.

RKC: He’s one of the greatest Prophets.

Surah 3
45. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
46. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
49. "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50. "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'

NuttyEggNog: They even know Less about Moses.

RKC: From Stories of the Prophets

Part 1: Birth – Throwing of the Staff

Part 2: Detainment – Parting of the Sea

Part 3: Pharaoh’s Death – Moses’(p) Death

NuttyEggNog: How easy it was for him to make himself the highest, everyone else is reduced to a sentence.

RKC: ???

NuttyEggNog: They have a whole chapter on Mary and Jesus but all that chapter is telling you is Jesus was not all that.

RKC: I think it says he is all that.

Surah 19

16. Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.

17. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.

18. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."

19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

20. She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

21. He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."

22. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;

25. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.

26. "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"

27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"

29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

32. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

36. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

37. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!

NuttyEggNog: They claim they are the religion of Abraham.

RKC: Where in the Bible does Abraham worship a trinity?

Surah 42

13. The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

NuttyEggNog: Yet Jesus tells us divorce didn't even exist before Moses. Muslims divorce There was no such thing in Abraham's day. You don't see Abraham leaving Sarah for another woman do you?

RKC: Not sure what your point is, but we can only wonder what was revealed to Abraham(p)?

Surah 87

16. Day (behold), ye prefer the life of this world;

17. But the Hereafter is better and more enduring.

18. And this is in the Books of the earliest (Revelation),-

19. The Books of Abraham and Moses.