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OloveInHisNameO: Seeing through Lies is easy when your fed the word of God.

 

RKC: True.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Why would Christians not fall for Muhammad's lies? 

 

RKC: Muhammad didn’t lie.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: They (Christians) already received the truth.

 

RKC: If your worshipping something other than the Father, then you received no truth.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: The Christians root is the Jewish faith.

 

RKC: It’s also rooted in pagan mythology.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: That means the Torah is no fabricated but complete truths are told. 

 

RKC: The Torah doesn’t support any man being God.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: It was God who told Abraham that the promise Son would be Sarah's Son. God told Abraham that it was the Son of Sarah that the covenants and promises would be received.  God even test Abraham's faith by telling him to offer up this Son. God needs to test Abraham's faith. God cant lead Abraham if he does not trust Gods own word. Abraham is willing to offer up his Son knowing that God has already told him that all the promises will come through Him. Abraham knows God will Spare his Son because Abraham does not doubt his Gods word that this is the promised Son and through him all covenants will be made. The Torah is the generations of this Son and all covenants do come through him. Moses is of this promised Son he not of ishmeal but Isaac. 

 

RKC: Where does the Bible say “all” covenants?

 

Surah 6

82. "It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong - that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right) guidance."

83. That was the reasoning about Us, which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will, degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.

84. We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:

85. And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:

86. And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations:

87. (To them) and to their fathers, and progeny and brethren: We chose them, and we guided them to a straight way.

88. This is the guidance of Allah. He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them.

89. These were the men to whom We gave the Book, and authority, and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not.

90. Those were the (prophets) who received Allah.s guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: "No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations."

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: The New testament is not new religion its the same One the generations continue until the messiah is born and calls out the nations to serve God in Love. 

 

RKC: Its new if it teaches that God is a man.

 

OloveInHisNameO: Jesus left this world for two thousand years for a reason his word needed to take root in the nations he had to seek out what was Lost before his Fold could become One Nation. Jesus did not reject the Jew and if you read the new testament God placed a veil on their hearts to cover their eyes, until the nations are gathered and the Messiah comes for his fold. The promises was for all mankind because all mankind were the Sons of Adam. 

 

RKC: Where does Jesus(p) teach this?

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Remember after Noah the world was wiped clean the only ones left are related to him.  However the wicked continues to exist because of Adams sin, Men hearts do not know God.  This is what original sin means, that all men can do evil and can be wicked by nature because their hearts turn away from God and his ways.  This is what Original sin means that all men can be disobedient and stray from God as Adam.

 

RKC: You describing free will, not original sin.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: That is why Men die, but from the beginning Adam was promised Life in God and this walk was about restoring man to Life in God through righteousness. 

 

RKC: Nothing needed to be restored. Every man is judged by his own deeds.

 

Ezekial 18

4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die.

5 "If a man is righteous and does what is lawful and right—

6 if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of impurity,

7 does not oppress any one, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment,

8 does not lend at interest or take any increase, withholds his hand from iniquity, executes true justice between man and man,

9 walks in my statutes, and is careful to observe my ordinances--he is righteous, he shall surely live, says the Lord GOD.

10 "If he begets a son who is a robber, a shedder of blood,

11 who does none of these duties, but eats upon the mountains, defiles his neighbor's wife,

12 oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore the pledge, lifts up his eyes to the idols, commits abomination,

13 lends at interest, and takes increase; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominable things; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.

14 "But if this man begets a son who sees all the sins which his father has done, and fears, and does not do likewise,

15 who does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife,

16 does not wrong any one, exacts no pledge, commits no robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment,

17 withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or increase, observes my ordinances, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.

18 As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother, and did what is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity.

19 "Yet you say, 'Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?' When the son has done what is lawful and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live.

20 The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness which he has done he shall live.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Jesus didn't not leave the Jews behind, he left to find the Lost who would serve God in righteousness. Men don't change over night and two thousand years the word as been Spiritually bringing men back to God. Like he said he's not coming back until every last soul he can save has his heard his message.

 

RKC: Where did Jesus say this?

OloveInHisNameO: What was so awful about a God who wanted men to Love him freely as he Loved them?

 

RKC: Nothing at all. God the Father wants you to worship Him and Him only.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: What was so awful about a message that said the Law that Adam broke was Love, God wanted men to abide in Love and not just a selected few but all mankind? 

 

RKC: My problem with original sin is it implies God would not forgive Adam & Eve and He would hold someone else accountable for what they did.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: If men do not learn the true meaning of Love then you will never know Gods peace.

 

RKC: This is why you should start worshipping The Father only.

 

 

 OloveInHisNameO: The New testament is a book telling you what Love is by the actions of Jesus, and they spell out what it is Not.  It is not proud (Jesus put all men before himself and served them) He washed their feet they did not wash his.  Love is not bias. 

 

RKC: It does show “love” through his actions because he knows The Father, but the New Testament, also, is used to worship Jesus which does not give The Father the “love” He deserves.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Jesus treated every man the same.  He treated strangers as if they were his own brothers. 

 

RKC: He didn’t treat every man the same based on the Gospel of Matthew.

 

Matthew 7

6 "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Many say Jesus was the Law because what Jesus was is the Spirit of Gods Love in action. The Light was Love but men preferred the darkness.  They prefer to fill up in pride thinking they are better then others, they prefer to Love only those who Love them. They are selfish putting their desires before the masses.

 

RKC: Jesus certainly had the Spirit of God in him, which is why I’m having a hard time seeing your demonstration of “love” towards others.

 


OloveInHisNameO: Jesus said No man can Know the Father Unless he goes through the Son. That means Know man can Know God or what it is to be righteous Until Men understand LOVE. 

 

RKC: This is why you should worship Jesus’ God.

 

John 20

17 Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: It is the evil of this world that separates us from GOD. He gave us a chance to change. The day he spared Noah he gave us a chance to change.  Take a good Look at the world today people.  Jesus gave the world two commands. Two Love God and to Love each other
We would not be in the shaped we are today if we didn't reject those two commands. All men are guilty just like Jesus said.  Instead of fighting we should all be on our knees repenting and changing by Loving or the end wont come with water but with fire, and we will be the fire started with our weapons of hate.

 

RKC: Agreed.


OloveInHisNameO: Muhameds lies did nothing more but get men to accuse each other.

 

RKC: Muhammad(p) didn’t lie. Men accused Muhammad(p) of various things when he called them to stop worshipping idols and return to worshipping The Father only, just as you have.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO: Muhamed made the changes and then accused both Christian and Jew of making those changes.

 

RKC: Who made this change?

 

1 John 5:6-9 (KJV)

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

 

1 John 5:6-9 (RSV)

6 This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood.

7 And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.

9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God that he has borne witness to his Son.

 

 

OloveInHisNameO:  Jesus told us that satan would lead a false prophet into removing his word to deceive nations. Satan has always been the accuser of Gods people. Who do you think wants a war between Men of faith?

 

RKC: So, stop following Paul.

 

2 Corinthians 11

14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

 

Acts 9

1 But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest

2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

 3 Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him.