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Posted by: "G.Waleed Kavalec"
Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:56 am (PST)
*Already answered this, Jon. Is your memory that short?*
Now repeat after me your two new Greek words. Remember them this time.
HEN - one, as in purpose
HEIS - one, as in numerical one
If anyone else doubts this is true (Jon, you don't matter; you clearly don't care about what is true) please see Strong's Concordance. It is
available on line. (the full title is "*Strong's* Exhaustive *Concordance* of the Bible")
You will all also see that what Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes very clear from his prayer concerning the apostles:
"That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]"
-- John 17:22
Which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated:
"I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
-- John 8:29
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence.
Or or you now saying that instead of a trinity there is really a fifteen-ity? And all the apostles are God TOO?
What is this, the Gospel According to Jon?
Eloah / Alaha / Allah spare us!
> 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be
God."
THEY accuse him so YOU side with THEM?
Yet they did NOT stone him. Had he REALLY made the claim you keep lying about Jon there would be no crucifix in any chuch.
The symbol of Chistianity would be a pile of stones. Preachers would give their sermons on The Lapidation. Priests would make the Sign the
Throw.
Clearly none of the above came to pass, so either
1. Jesus told them clearly he was not God, because he isn't
2. Or he is God but he lied to them (but wait... Numbers 23:19 again remember?)
3. Or he is God but he confused them (nope, can't have that either... see 1 Cor. 14:33).
Sorry Jon. But it is time for you to set aside the falsehoods and start learning about the REAL Jesus.
http://www.islamawakened.com/JTM/JesusTheMuslim.htm
On 8/21/07, Jon Moseley wrote:
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> 30 " I and the Father are one."
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> 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
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> 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
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> 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
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> Jon Moseley
Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:56 am (PST)
*Already answered this, Jon. Is your memory that short?*
Now repeat after me your two new Greek words. Remember them this time.
HEN - one, as in purpose
HEIS - one, as in numerical one
If anyone else doubts this is true (Jon, you don't matter; you clearly don't care about what is true) please see Strong's Concordance. It is
available on line. (the full title is "*Strong's* Exhaustive *Concordance* of the Bible")
You will all also see that what Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes very clear from his prayer concerning the apostles:
"That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]"
-- John 17:22
Which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated:
"I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
-- John 8:29
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence.
Or or you now saying that instead of a trinity there is really a fifteen-ity? And all the apostles are God TOO?
What is this, the Gospel According to Jon?
Eloah / Alaha / Allah spare us!
> 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be
God."
THEY accuse him so YOU side with THEM?
Yet they did NOT stone him. Had he REALLY made the claim you keep lying about Jon there would be no crucifix in any chuch.
The symbol of Chistianity would be a pile of stones. Preachers would give their sermons on The Lapidation. Priests would make the Sign the
Throw.
Clearly none of the above came to pass, so either
1. Jesus told them clearly he was not God, because he isn't
2. Or he is God but he lied to them (but wait... Numbers 23:19 again remember?)
3. Or he is God but he confused them (nope, can't have that either... see 1 Cor. 14:33).
Sorry Jon. But it is time for you to set aside the falsehoods and start learning about the REAL Jesus.
http://www.islamawakened.com/JTM/JesusTheMuslim.htm
On 8/21/07, Jon Moseley wrote:
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> John 10:32-34
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> 30 " I and the Father are one."
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> 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
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> 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
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> 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
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> Jon Moseley